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darwinsfoot
01-09-2005, 08:16 PM
i owned a type 2 as my first vehicle (it was a cheap and, as a result, a noisy, mechanically unsound, structurally unsound and unreliable beauty) but unfortunately had to sell it to go abroad. having driven normal cars for a while now i just cant take it anymore and am coming back to the type 2 flock. however, while i may be aware of the dangers of buying just any old van (see the above comments about my first type 2!) i am unsure of a few things and so have a few questions if anyone would be kind enough to answer any of them in any sort of way. any help would be much appreciated...

1 - i have about 5k to spend on a vehicle. the camper i want to end up with is a two litre, hard top, bay window, walk through camper with a basic cab interior and a completely empty rear. while the van will be a day to day vehicle i will need to do some light moving work with it so cant have any interior taking up room. of course i want mechanically and structurally sound vehicle. i believe from a few comments elsewhere 5k (or thereabouts) should be enough to get an ok vehicle. is this right?

2 - when looking at a van before purchasing everyone says one of the most important things is to look underneath. being a mechanical retard what exactly am i looking for? i imagine it will be pretty dirty under there (sorry to sound like the mechanical dunce that i so patently am...) so how is someone who has never actually had what they are looking for physically pointed out to them by someone in the know supposed to be able to identify anything that should set the alarm bells racing? are there any good reference points that i could look for underneath to help send me to trouble spots? like is there some knobbly thing (yep - thats about as good as my knowledge gets) that is easy to spot that if i found it i could then look ten inches to its left and that is where rust often appears...?

3 - bearing in mind the problems that i will face when giving the van the once over would people recommend going to a van dealer or garage? in volksworld there are lots of restoration garages etc that seem to both sell standard ones but also restored ones. am i right to assume that one of the restored ones (and i guess the standard ones too) would have had all the trouble spots looked at and treated? or are they just as risky to buy from as buying from a private ad?

4- many of the above mentioned garages seem to be up north or in wales or in the south west. living near heathrow they are not easy for me to get to. does anyone know of any good vw type 2 dealers near the southwest london area or surrey/sussex/hampshire area? and in addition, would anyone know specifically of any garages that would take my request (hard top, 2ltr, RHD, type 2 with no interior in the rear of the vehicle) and find/build one up specifically? i only ask this because apparently there is a garage in the netherlands that will more or less supply what you want but i am not keen on going over there and driving it back! i am just hoping there would be similar garages in this country!

i apologise for the length of this post but think you knowlegeable people on forums like this are probably my best guide. i come to this conclusion through the experiences i had with my last type 2. in a nutshell - over two years several different "type 2" garages couldnt find a problem with my van, which persisted through a refitted engine (yes i was a mug and hence want to avoid it again) and numerous "checks". the two type 2 enthusiasts who bought it off me had the problem diagnosed within 15 mins...

cheers for any help...

nick

Clem
01-09-2005, 08:46 PM
Hi Nick :)

1- 5k should get you that. With Bay windows a good interior would push you over the limit, but you should be ok.

2 - No really true. Whilst the chassis needs to be in good order, more vans are scrapped on body work. Underneath look for rust, or heavily repaired rust. On bodywork, look for obvious rust, filler and poorly fitting doors etc.

3/4 - The 'safest' bet is probably to buy an imported van, maybe from Oz for rhd. To be honest, if you really want a good van, then after getting some good digi images from a dealer, then a trip will be well worthwhile. Any dealer who cant be bothered to send the pictures you want isnt worth dealing with.

Have a look at the buyers guide here (http://www.kampaman.co.uk/)

darwinsfoot
01-09-2005, 10:34 PM
thank you for the reply.

buying a decent van can really be a bit of a challenge. i personally would feel safer buying from a dealer as one would hope they wouldnt want to damage their name by selling a duff vehicle. private sales can be tricky as i dont know what i am looking for. for example, in this months volksworld there are two similar panel vans more or less matching what i am looking for. they are similar age and look in similar condition. one is going for 2800 and one for 4000. this is quite a difference for what on the outside seem like similar vehicles...is the one price too high, one too low, is someone trying to rip you off, or is the other hiding something...etc etc...

Clem
01-10-2005, 11:14 PM
thank you for the reply.

buying a decent van can really be a bit of a challenge. i personally would feel safer buying from a dealer as one would hope they wouldnt want to damage their name by selling a duff vehicle. private sales can be tricky as i dont know what i am looking for. for example, in this months volksworld there are two similar panel vans more or less matching what i am looking for. they are similar age and look in similar condition. one is going for 2800 and one for 4000. this is quite a difference for what on the outside seem like similar vehicles...is the one price too high, one too low, is someone trying to rip you off, or is the other hiding something...etc etc...

Many dealers may not be here in 12 months, so its no guarantee that they are honest. There really is no subs***ute for having a good look around the vehicle in question, or, if you are London based, try Jacks Garage or Terrys Beetle Services, both are long established and well regarded.

http://www.jacksgarage.co.uk/

http://www.terrysbeetles.net/website/index.php

darwinsfoot
01-14-2005, 10:58 AM
ok. point taken. do you happen to know where one could find pictures of the underside of a type 2 when

a) as new
b) as it should look when well worn in
C) when rust has begun to set in
d) a completely knackered one

?

cheers for any help

Clem
01-15-2005, 01:31 AM
Heres some good pics for starters ..... ;)

Mike Howles Site (http://www.specialpatrolgroup.co.uk/spooky/index.html)

darwinsfoot
01-24-2005, 06:03 PM
cheers for that.

also i have read that type 2's are high maintenance vehicles. is this necessarily true? if you are careful with what you buy and keep it regularily serviced are they quite a reliable vehicle? i only ask because as camping vehicles it seems to me that people would want a reliable vehicle so they dont get stuck in france somewhere when on holiday!!

it seems that whatever car i have inevitably is high maintenance so are type 2's really exceptionally beyond a reasonable level of reliability?

henki
01-31-2005, 08:00 PM
Hi Nick,

You should also check Les Ramptonīs website or visiting him in Colchester/Essex. He has brilliant VW vans and campers for sale, most of them in immaculate and original perfect condition. www.superbeetles.co.uk

Good luck hunting!

henki

Mechanoid
03-25-2005, 07:25 PM
cheers for that.

also i have read that type 2's are high maintenance vehicles. is this necessarily true? if you are careful with what you buy and keep it regularily serviced are they quite a reliable vehicle?



With any vehicle that is going to be around 30 years old will need a lot of maintenance unless you completely strip and rebuild with new/reconditioned parts. Also consider that modern vehicles are designed to last between long service intervals and are much more reliable due to the huge amount of research and development work done on them. (I speak from experiance here ;) )

However; a regularly maintained VW will last the course and remember that the oil change interval is VERY IMPORTANT. The usual 'rock strainer' that sits in the sump is a pretty poor subs***ute for a decent cartridge filter that will strain out particles down to 7 microns.

The cleanliness of the oil is the deciding factor nowdays for when the oil should be changed. When it is contaminated with combustion products and metal particles it needs to be changed before it reaches a condition where it can cause trouble. This is why manufacturures are currently looking at centifuge filters so the oil change period can be extended up to 10 to 12,000 miles!

So really as long as you keep it maintained and serviced you should have no trouble. :)

Footnote! Who has taken the *** out of subs***ute!! ;) :rolleyes:

aaronsm
03-29-2005, 09:22 AM
try

OSTERLEY CALIFORNIAN CLASSICS Tel : 020 8568 3837

They advertise in Volksworld near the back, a small black and white advert. The bloke apparently routinely goes over to the US and sources new dubs and brings 'em over.

Being so close its surely worth a visit. Prices seem to be good too. Reasonable not the ludicrous prices you see from time to time.

hope that helps

mike